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By now, everybody seems to know that China has a giant housing bubble (See: 50 Facts about China’s Bubble Economy).
It is clear that artificially low interest rates and massive money printing by the government is fueling this bubble. But few know about the engine behind the monuments bubble- A giant shark loan ponzi scheme.
Beside that, we didn't find a lot of people who agree with our prediction from 11 big surprises for the next decade:
China Bluff Exposed, Regime Overthrown- China's communist regime continued to print money, lending it to everybody that wanted and didn't want it. The giant housing, infrastructure, and manufacturing bubble came to a violent crash when the debts where not paid and inflation forced the authorities to tighten despite massive unemployment. The combination of high inflation and high unemployment in the urban centers took the people to the streets. The Chinese citizens refused to accept state intervention in the economy and their personal life demanding more personal and economic freedom resulting in prolonged civil unrest which almost reached a full scaled civil war. The collapse of the Chinese regime and economy resulted in a colossal bust for commodity prices, albeit temporarily and caused a severe recession in Australia, Brazil, Russia, Argentina, and the Gulf States.
In this article we will show how the ponzi shark loan scheme works and why we think the regime in China will fall. Our research is based on sources INSIDE CHINA
This is how this Ponzi scheme works:
Local governmental officials that are demanded from the government to produce double digit GDP growth numbers give real estate developers permits to build housing projects in return for bribes. They also get bribes in return for allowing the shark loan companies to operate under their jurisdiction. Some of them are active partners in shark loan businesses. For example, a party secretary of legal affairs, that controls the public security bureau, which is a court and prosecutor division of government in Yanking city, in She Kiang province tired to run abroad using a passport in 2009 after he found out he can’t repay 60million Yuan. Every scheme has a ring leader whose job is to collect money from all the participants in the ponzi scheme. When some of these ponzi schemes blow up, the party leaders always get bailed out first, and some even ask local business owners to lend them money, and then bail out their own personal fund. After that the ring leader turns himself in and gets protection from the local government.
Most of the funds that are collected in this classic ponzi finance go to local land purchases and real estate development. Part of the funds are used in order to pay back the rolling loan. The short term interest rate in this black market is very high and ranges between 20%-150% annual rate. The sources of the ponzi funds are diverse, as ordinary citizens, banks with corrupted bank officials, and state enterprises play the game.
Angry crowd gathered in the street of jishou city , in this city, 85% of households participated in the illegal fund scheme.
A reader wrote to us this email two weeks ago, which trigged are in depth research:
“My hometown is zhejiang, now I live in shanghai, my sister pledged her home to bank, she lived in hangzhou, she bought her home around 500,0000rmb five years ago, now her home worth 2million rmb, so she can get huge loan from bank, she gave this loan to a shark loan company with 30% return every year, she has been doing and living on this for 4 years, she is a middle school teacher, she earned 4000rmb per month, but with this lending arrangement, she has been able to buy a car, the interest income is 6 times of her salary, One of my cousin's father lost all his principle of 4 million since one scheme blow up in 2008. That is my personal experience. 2 months ago I went back to my hometown in new year, this is 3 tier city, but many so investment companies shop in the street, and in 2009, I saw the so called investment companies( shark loan) opened in the town level, I visited four small towns, I saw there is shark loan shop in every town. China media is controlled, so you can’t find many negative exposure, but if you dig a little bit deep, by doing some search for shark loan in Chinese, you will find out how serious the problem is. In my home town a 150 million ponzi scheme blow up in 2008, the leader turned himself in after he paid all the local official leader in full, and he felt safe enough knowing he will be protected, but my cousin's father was not so lucky for his 4 million, since he do not get his money back. Some people compare this bubble to Japan, to be fair, what happened in China real estate, the madness, the greedy, the loan shark with 100 % interest rate, it is much, much worse. “
So China’s real estate market is a huge ponzi scheme supported by shark loans. Ordinary Chinese pledge their houses to get low interest loans from the banks, then lend to local shark loan companies at high interest rates to speculate in the real estate market. Actually, at the later part of 2008, when real estate prices dipped for while in China, many ponzi shark loan schemes blew up, in cities like heilongjiang province , he gang, hunan province, ji shou, zhejiang province , and li shui. In il shui the whole city was rioting since many households couldn’t get the principal back after the local loan shark companies couldn’t pay interest anymore due to the real estate price slump.
A bank run in jishou city as result of a ponzi scheme that blew up, the local people say " here we have bank running, we can not withdraw money anymore in every local bank. Many people committed suicide as a result.
According to different sources by the end of this year, the collapse of the shark loan companies will be much worse since the bubble got much larger. And it has the potential to bring whole system down.
This is what a local Chinese had told us:
“90% of the households participate in the madness of loan shark real estate ponzi scheme, in 2008, when the real estate dipped due to the financial crisis, people blocked the railway track, sit in the front of government buildings , since local government officials are supportive of this gdp growth scheme. “
A source in China wrote to us yesterday:
“I began to realize the serious of the shark loan problem by the later part of year 2008, since my brother's family is in the loan shark business for more than 6 years, but I only returned to my home town during new year one time, I spent most of my time in shanghai. It is hard to find out about this underlying issue since it is in the black market, and most rampant in 2, 3 tier city, shanghai property and developer has been working together with the loan shark to flip flop the real estate, but most fund sources are actually from second tier and third tier city. Each time I met them, they will mention something, but not in detail, so that didn’t raise a red flag. My sister in law is keen in flip flop real estate and she is making quiet a lot of money, after opening a shop a couple of years ago, she really does not care what the borrower does, but she will check the background and ask for personal guarantee. Around two year ago. My sister also told me pledged her house and borrowed 1.20 million from bank, then lent to loan shark companies run and got 20% interest each year.
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We have received another email which describes similar issues:
“One year ago, my cousin called me, mentioned that his brother in law lost 4 milllion to the loan shark in a 150million local blow up scandal, and during 2009 new year, i learned from my brother, that his family is lucky enough to withdraw the fund before that leader turn himself in to the police. These loan shark schemes are everywhere, in every province in china. The hunan jishou city riot was covered up, but no one told the true story. But the youtube video tell the truth, the reason for the jishou city riot was that around 85% households in that city participated, and it is a poor inner-land city, many people lost livelihood, and the government officials actually encouraged this fund raising activity after they visited zhejiang coast city to copy its development model.”
A search of “Shark Loan” in Mandarin in Google, gets 1.8million hits, if you browse through these returned pages, and if you know Chinese you will see that this black market of shark loans is everywhere, in almost every city, town or village in China. And there are adds everywhere, in local newspapers , in the streets and on the internet .
To see the results of “Shark Loans” in Chinese click Google and Baidu.
A few adds were picked up during a google search:
1) short term loan, difficult house pledge loan
Shanghai yusong, first hand fund source, 3% monthly interest loan. Simple procedure, same day loan ,
13167283806 Manager Zhou
http://www.qingsongdai168.com/
2) Shanghai local official loan , 24 hour approval
http://www.xueertagege.blog.163.com/
3) urgent need of money? Check out us, lowest monthly
http://www.qingsongedai.com/
Readers should be aware of the fact that this is a black market so the big funds that drive the land speculation and real estate projects, with group purchases of development units can’t be found on the internet.
A bank run in west of hunan, ji shou city, police everywhere, the local government threatens the local people to prevent them from accepting the media coverage. The locals block the rail track
So many ordinary households pledge their inflated houses and get a loan from the bank, then lend the money to a shark loan operator with 20-150% annual interest rate, this shark loan operator then lends this aggregated loan to real estate developers, speculators, or some SME which has to pay back the bank. ( China’s banking system operates at a roll over loan base on a year on year base, so many Chinese SME's will borrow at shark loan market rates to pay back the bank, then days later, use the approved new bank loan to pay back. This is a very common practice, given the dire situation of many SME exporters due to razor thin profit margins combined with rising labor costs. Furthermore, in recent years, many SME’s totally stopped their old business of exporting , since the high return of real estate drove more and more of them into this historical bubble.
The CBOC is scared of a real estate “hard landing”, decided not to raise interest rates. Instead, they decided to ask for more property taxes, in face of sky high inflation, which is much higher than official figure. In fact, the bubble became so large in the last year precicaly because of their attempts to “save” the real estate market in 2008.
During the 2008 financial crisis, when many real estate companies were failing under the financial stress, the government changed the minimium equity which is needed in order to liquidate the house and get cash . In every city there is a local City construction bureau chief ( every city has this powerful bureau, that controls the land, the city plans, and the construction bidding). Those officials held meeting with every available developer active in the city, and demanded that they will not drop the price. Under the government support and the backing of funds from local banks, the developers were able to survive.
It is clear that the Chinese government will do everything it can to support the real estate market, because it is the life blood of the regime. But only this time the old measures will not work anymore.The private money that supported by the loan shark ponzi scheme already reached to the peasant level, and the small town level so the ammunition is out. Their is nobody else left to join the ponzi scheme. State banks can’t afford to loosen up again, otherwise, runaway inflation will kill the social stability. So this time is different, the real estate market will collapse in China.
It will be the perfect storm for China, since combination of the labor unrest, the bankruptcy of China's private SME's,and the death of the old business model will take down the regime(See:The collapse of the Asian growth model )
From what we understand from sources in China, more than 50% of local private SME's are already financially bankrupt since 2008, and they survive only because of this scheme, as they get new loans from state owned banks. The local banks know this, but they are afraid of stopping the new loan programs , since that will cause massive unemployment, and civil unrest. Like every ponzi scheme the economy is like a drug addict, and that is why the SME’s will pay such a high interest rates.
The local Private SME's are dying, especially manufactures and exporters and their current razor thin profit do not allow them to raise salaries. The only companies that can actually make money in China are Monopoly SOE's, real estate developers, and some western companies.
Compared to last year, residential rents are up 15percent in BJ, SHANGHAI, while food prices are rising at a pace of 15-20%. Food prices rose very fast during Q1, although they now they seem to have moderated a bit. According to local newspapers in China, the electricity, and water bills may rise soon.
An email we received about the unemployment in China:
I can’t give you an accurate percentage since no one will have this in china, but i knew for new college graduate this year, i read a report, mentioned that only 15-20% being able to sigh the employment contract. and last year is horrible, my personal street smart observation told me : it is around 30%. i found out more and more so called security personal in the park, in the street in shanghai, most of them are middle age local unable to find a decent worker, so the local government hired them for this token job with 1000 plus month salary. so if you understand me, 1500 rmb per month in shanghai, it is not a job at all. And so many people dropped their ordinary work, close their factory to join the real estate speculator team. The danger of the burst of the bubble is unimaginable.
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This condition has a large potential for civil unrest and a regime change, as we predicted in 11 big surprises for the next decade. A Chinese reader wrote to us about the civil unrest:
“From internet chat room, and the feedback from some breaking news, for instance, the killing of court judge, the killing of police, the killing of school kids, maybe 95% percent feedback are anti government. small scale social unrest are lot, but the local government has been able to kill it at very early stage fast to prevent spreading. In a city in jiangshu province, a middle school student crossed the street, and bumped into the mirror of a car, the driver of the car slapped the face, and his wife cursed the kid very loudly, and he said something he is the leader ( in chinese, "lindao"), thousand local people congregated, block the car, block the police car, block the fire fighter, then the military police is out, it is going on till middle night, no one being able to rescure the driver and quell the crowd. And the local city party leader come out, in a loud speaker: "I promise you that the this driver ( it turns out that he is the chief of local tourist bureau) will be terminated from his position right now". From the tens of thousand of feedback from internet chat rooms to this news, 98% feedback are anti government. The dangerous thing is people began to distrust the government, it can be observed in the local stock market. People began to lose the good feeling, the confidence. The market failed to play the catch up after US and people feel that government failed them. The local government s will kill any unrest at grass root at early stages in couple of days by mobilizing the military police and blocking the media. But now the only popular support is the economic growth, the only justification, and as I mentioned before, now the real estate is the pillar of china local economic dream, if this pillar collapses, the only popular support is gone, then a small incident will trigger large uncontrolled social unrest. The real estate crash will almost bring death to the government in 2-3 years, I knew many people will not believe it, but people will lose their money, their livelihood, combined with the reality of high unemployment and stress towards rampant corruption, it is high probability."
The government loud speaker: the loan shark fund scheme is illegal, blocking the railway is illegal, he will be punished. gov will try to mitigate the lose of local people, if you block the railway, you will be severaly punished.
And we will end with a last email from another reader of ours:
“I am amazed of how western bankers and main media keep ignore this obvious danger, the vested interest is so powerful, even in cbnc, the paid ad from real estate developer is running at greater frequency, this is truly disgusting, the truth is if you are walking down street in china, ask every one, everyone will tell you: china real estate is crazy, even drop 50%, the price level is still beyond ordinary wage earners purchasing power.
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Thank you for this remarkable input. It is really hard to get decent information from China.
ReplyDeleteI have started to read your stuff on a regular background.
The information you provide is of course, from an Austrian perspective, I'm a Jacques Rueff follower, the kind of missing link on what really happens in China.
Nice to understand you try to read the Chinese situation with a comparable intellectual framework:)
Greetings from Paris.
Thank you very much!! If you wish to write something be my guest!
ReplyDeleteAnd of course, Jacques Rueff was brilliant. The Monetary Sin of the West is an amazing book
ReplyDeleteGood article. Matches what other 'boots on the ground' reporters are telling me.
ReplyDeleteThanks!!
ReplyDeleteNice article, thanks for writing it up. I did a quick analysis on the Money Supply component of this at http://www.cargocultist.com/?p=1113 if you're interested.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's the case that the growth is coming from the government - who appear to be trying to prevent it with the reserve capital increases. I suspect it's actually equity capital manipulation by the Banks - which does make it very similar to what happened in Japan in the 80's.
Nice to read this piece.
ReplyDeleteKeep writing more about it. It is really gracefully and very well written skill.
Thanks for sharing.
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When you have "DUMB" investors. This is the result! DUMB & STUPID! They Deserve it!
ReplyDeleteBut, this is a great article! All 3rd world countries must learn about "Ponzi" businesses!
ReplyDeleteSooner or later, they will learn the hard way, if not in Business School, then this way!
Resources unknown and quoting anecodotal emails with flawed logic. I am Chinese and found your analysis lacks of complexity and good logic/stats. How much are these loans? What is the ratio of these bad debt vs. some other debts. How big of a problem will this become. And for your information, the social unrest hasn't been material enough to make people rethink ... so please think twice before you publish to mislead others. We all know there is a bubble, but how /when it will burst is definitely out of your "prediction". Thank you.
ReplyDeleteWhen you think about this bubble, think about why this bubble has NOT bursted yet? What is driving people still holding on to an inflated property - is that because major holders/developers still have room to go (hint: there are unreported income/grey income for people)? What is the Chinese government's stance on these and what measures will they prob. take? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnd my personal understanding from reading other think tank/research reports is - shark loan is NOT the sheer driving force of this housing bubble. It is NOT the root cause of the bubble. Even with this bubble, what is the split between speculators/people who really need an apt to live. Finding out more about these questions may be more meaningful than dwelling on and relying on anecdotal email/websites/videos - you need to sift through informations instead of drawing conclusions on random-drawed data points to make your point.
ReplyDeleteThere is no Chinese Province named She Kiang, neither is there a city name Yanking.
ReplyDeleteYour article is misguided, misleading, bigoted and wholly nonsensical. What are you trying to achieve by writing this nonsense?
Your supposed email from a commentator in Zhejang is also clearly bogus, as Chinese middle school teachers do not earn anything like 4,000 RMB per month - http://english.caing.com/upload/PayRaiseMainInteractive.swf
ReplyDeleteIf you feel the need to lie and distort the truth, at least do your homework first.
I am a UK citizen living in China with business and propert investments in Heilongjiang province, Shandong, Hunan and Guangdong.
I do not recognise the picture which you describe, and neither does my Chinese wife or her family (who live in secondary and tertiary cities such as Yueyang and Yantai). Your story is contrived nonsense and you are a charlatan.
This is the Google translation of the first link which you have given to a putative loan shark advert.
ReplyDeleteInvestment Management Co., Ltd. Shanghai Glaze is a professional lender.
The backbone of the company are engaged in many years of relevant work in the banking sector, foreign banks in Shanghai over the long-term cooperation (purchase by 7 off 8 percent interest rate loans), while the abundance of non-governmental financial support (monthly interest rate from 3% to do), is a Shanghai, specializes in personal and corporate short-term borrowings (Jitiao position) mortgage loans, bridge financing Loaning the service business.
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My wife has watched the three Youtube video clips and has explained as follows; the protesters outside the ICBC branch were trying to recover funds from the account of a bankrupt property developer who did not have legal title to the land on which the building was built. This was not a run on the Bank itself; the second video shows the protesters outside the offices of the property development company. These videos have nothing at all to do with loan sharks.
Chekiang not She Kiang you Stupid Chinese! It's spelled wrong!! W-T-F-U-P-O-S: Yanking is Yanqing! I'm 3rd generation American Chinese! I hope you dumb lying Chinese go Bankrupt in the Chinese Real Estate Bubble!
ReplyDeleteZ-Hang-Lan is a LOAN SHARK!!! FRIGGEN Ponzi Man! Here is the Introduction from his web site: Investment Management Co., Ltd. Shanghai Glaze is a professional lender. 公司主要骨干均在银行业从事多年相关工作,与上海多家中外资银行长期合作(购房按7折利率8成贷款),同时拥有充沛的民间资金支持(月息3%起做) ,是一家专业从事上海地区针对个人和企业的短期借款(急调头寸)房屋抵押贷款、融资过桥垫资的服务性企业。 The backbone of the company are engaged in many years of relevant work in the banking sector, foreign banks in Shanghai over the long-term cooperation (purchase by 7 off 8 percent interest rate loans), while the abundance of non-governmental financial support (monthly interest rate from 3% to do), is a Shanghai, specializes in personal and corporate short-term borrowings (Jitiao position) mortgage loans, bridge financing Loaning the service business.
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In this section I have given dozends of links to stories in the Chinese media. Beside that I have posted links to Marc Faber, "Mish, and Peter Navarro, all well respected investors who talked about the shark loan industry in China. They have also recived emails from Chinese. So fail to understand how you can claim these stories are a fraud.
ReplyDeleteI am a UK citizen, as I explained in my second comment. Zhanglan is my wife's name. Neither of us is connected to any financial services business, and the website you quote is the one liked in the body of the original article
ReplyDeleteAnything else you'd like clarified before you go back on the medication?
There is no mainland Chinese province currently named Chekiang
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekiang_Province,_Republic_of_China
How much more of this can you guys take before you realise that your nonsense is contrived and entirely fabricated?
From what I understand, some Chinese still call Zhejiang at the name of Chekiang
ReplyDeleteWhich goes to show just how little you understand and how vapid your commentary is. You are ill-informed and misguided, and have been caught out fabricating material to support your biased viewpoint
ReplyDelete200,000 Million EMPTY CHINESE CONDOS? Is this a Balloon or what? W-T-F-U-P-O-S???
ReplyDelete200,000 million empty condos. Sunshine, there aren't that many bricks in China, let alone empty condos
ReplyDeleteThere is indeed a vast overhang of unsold apartments - I have seen a single development in Shandong Province where there are probably 10,000 or more units vacant. However, it wasn't unsold condos which caused the sub-prime crisis in the USA (and latterly in Europe) - it was the leveraged finance and reliance on tranched Mortgage Backed Securities as a funding mechanism.
I think the Chinese property market will retreat by around 25 - 30% over the next 18 months; I also think that every one of those 10,000 vacant condos I saw will be occupied within the same timeframe or shortly thereafter, and I don't anticipate any one of the major Chinese banks (or Insurers) reporting a trading loss (or insolvency) as a consequence.
Ask yourself this, though. If you are so air-headed to bandy around the first big number you can think of without considering whether it is even approximately right, what possible confidence can anyone have that you know - or even care - anything about what you are saying. 200,000 million - that's about 150 condos for every man, woman child and donkey in China.
200 million, not 200,000 million. Sorry! Typo!!!
ReplyDelete... and which particular psychotropic substances helped you with that figure? Do you have any source for it? No, you don't , so let me help you.
ReplyDelete200 million was a bogus figure cited in a study of Chinese electricity consumption, and which related to the number of PEOPLE who were apparently not consuming electricity, not the number of apartments - http://www.china-daily.org/China-News/65.4-million-units-of-vacant-housing-authority-department-of-false-information-continue-to-simmer-aphasia/
ok, so now that you have revised your daydreaming down by a factor of 1,000, let's try to get a little closer still:
"According to the NSB's statistical data, the end of 2009 had 199 million square meters of commercial housing awaiting sale, a rise of 7.1% year on year. Of this homes comprised 114 million square meters, a 7.8% increase. By July 2010, the total figure awaiting sale was 191 million square meters (a 6.4% increase) with homes accounting for 106 million of this, a 0.2% increase year on year." Source - http://business.caing.com/2010-08-05/100167019.html
Let's be conservative and say that an average apartment is 50 sq metres; 106 million vacant sq m would therefore account for around 2 million unsold or unoccupied (investment) properties. So, that's a further reduction by a factor of ten in your absurd pie-in-the-sky number
Will you now give up and admit that you are fabricating and exaggerating this, or do I need to keep rubbing your nose in the facts?
What a smug and equally misleading counter argument from a vested interest.
ReplyDeleteI'll take inputs from both sides. Clearly the picture in China is not as rosy are the official line.
zhangIan is typical of the Chinese nationalists that pop up like mushrooms after the rain in the comments section anytime any criticism of China is mentioned. He's been at it in the Telegraph comments, too. Mostly overseas educated Chinese, I'm guessing, who other than running to their defence of the Motherland don't really contribute much other input. And it seems there's nary a comments sections out there these days that has escaped their presence.
ReplyDeleteChina real estate is degenerating into a tool to steal state fund from state bank, china massive fix capital investment projects are degenerating into a tool for the power elite and corrupted business man to steal state fund from state bank, they do not care about whether or not the future cash flow is sufficient enough to pay back the bank loan in the future. china emigration application is doubled, surged recently. the rats are jumping the boat en mass .
ReplyDeletethose innocent western investor want to keep buying china based on the advice of their financial advisors, but they simply forget that most major western financial firms held huge stake on all the major china banks, their views are biased by their interest, they dare not to reveal the massive risk and truth of china banking system in public
Those innocent retail western investors will be massacred when china bubble burst in near future
243 million Chinese are moving from rural China to China's cities between now and 2025. That is one heck of a lot of housing that is going to be needed in the next 15 years.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_in_China
there is reverse immigration going on in china, fewer and fewer youth want to work in big city to earn meager wage, more and more white colar professionals left big cities due to high real estate price. hundred of ghost town is everywhere, very few want to move in.
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Another 720 million shark loan ponzi scheme collapsed in china inner Mongolia Erdos
ReplyDeleteEveryone know the ghost town story of Erdos in china inner Mongolia, actually, this city’s growth story is a typical china growth story of over drafting the future, by relying on its coal mine, and over exploited it in short period of time, now the coal mine in the city almost run out, in china, you can see many examples of this short minded rush for growth in total disregard to future environment stability and social stability, it is a ran away train drove by communist politician with power anxiety and motivated by self interest of elite, the beneficiary of this resource misallocation( include state fund, land, natural resource allocation) is the power elite, and ordinary Chinese got negative benefit, so the pattern here, is more economic growth, more resource abuse and misallocation and more wealth disparity, finally, social collapse will inevitable happen . Actually, if you are a true China insider from grass root, you will find out the underground anti government voice is dangerous pervasive.
Couple of days ago, in Erdos, this famous ghost town city in china inner Mongolia, a 720 million shark loan pyramid scheme collapsed, the ring leader is a 42 years old female, a chairwoman of a local company, her loan shark operation have been running for many years, she is borrowing money from students, elders, even garbage collectors with the promise of 40-50% interest rate, this is a typical pyramid scheme, since her only investment is in real estate, she bought 43 real estates in Beijing and major city in inner Mongolia, but the rent income certainly can not pay the higher interest rate, so she use the new borrowed money to pay out old interest rate. On expectation of high interest return, many locals pledged their house to get loan from bank, then lent out the money to her. According to a local police report, in 2009 alone, in this Erdos city alone, total 600 loan shark dispute case has been reported. And in a district of Dongshen alone, 30 billion shark loans are in operation. For local link, click here
http://www.lnnews.net/html/2010/09/26/163181.html
Most Chinese rely on inflated real estate prize and loan shark to make ends meet. Besides western firms operated in china, real estate developers in china, and state monopoly, very few domestic china enterprise are making profit, the profit margin is razor thin. So more and more domestic fund, domestic business is turning in to real estate and loan shark business for high return.
This is the true face of china domestic growth story.
Besides the city of Erdos, The city of Jishou in Hunan, the city of Li shui in Zhejiang, the city of Ninghai in Zhejiang, the town of huang qiao in Jiangshu, all these cities collapsed, local went on protest as a result of loan shark ponzi scheme collapse.
And this enormous shark loan operation, the under ground banking are in every cities in china.
And all these collapse happened even when the real estate price maintain current high level ,just imagine what will happen if the real estate drop for merely 30% percent.
this country of economic of miracle is in a run away train to hell with no decelerator, corrupted power elite can not step on the brake, otherwise it will derail, remember the ever crying Oscar winner of best actor Premier Wen said: china will sunk into social unrest if let RMB appreciate 15-20%, he knew that, if real estate dip 30 percent, he and his power elite also will be in real serious trouble. Will he say it in public to Chinese people? A resounding no. his comments of china social unrest as a result of china RMB appreciation also fail to appear in china main media.
Another 720 million shark loan ponzi scheme collapsed in china inner Mongolia Erdos
ReplyDeleteEveryone know the ghost town story of Erdos in china inner Mongolia, actually, this city’s growth story is a typical china growth story of over drafting the future, by relying on its coal mine, and over exploited it in short period of time, now the coal mine in the city almost run out, in china, you can see many examples of this short minded rush for growth in total disregard to future environment stability and social stability, it is a ran away train drove by communist politician with power anxiety and motivated by self interest of elite, the beneficiary of this resource misallocation( include state fund, land, natural resource allocation) is the power elite, and ordinary Chinese got negative benefit, so the pattern here, is more economic growth, more resource abuse and misallocation and more wealth disparity, finally, social collapse will inevitable happen . Actually, if you are a true China insider from grass root, you will find out the underground anti government voice is dangerous pervasive.
Couple of days ago, in Erdos, this famous ghost town city in china inner Mongolia, a 720 million shark loan pyramid scheme collapsed, the ring leader is a 42 years old female, a chairwoman of a local company, her loan shark operation have been running for many years, she is borrowing money from students, elders, even garbage collectors with the promise of 40-50% interest rate, this is a typical pyramid scheme, since her only investment is in real estate, she bought 43 real estates in Beijing and major city in inner Mongolia, but the rent income certainly can not pay the higher interest rate, so she use the new borrowed money to pay out old interest rate. On expectation of high interest return, many locals pledged their house to get loan from bank, then lent out the money to her. According to a local police report, in 2009 alone, in this Erdos city alone, total 600 loan shark dispute case has been reported. And in a district of Dongshen alone, 30 billion shark loans are in operation. For local link, click here
http://www.lnnews.net/html/2010/09/26/163181.html
Most Chinese rely on inflated real estate prize and loan shark to make ends meet. Besides western firms operated in china, real estate developers in china, and state monopoly, very few domestic china enterprise are making profit, the profit margin is razor thin. So more and more domestic fund, domestic business is turning in to real estate and loan shark business for high return.
This is the true face of china domestic growth story.
Besides the city of Erdos, The city of Jishou in Hunan, the city of Li shui in Zhejiang, the city of Ninghai in Zhejiang, the town of huang qiao in Jiangshu, all these cities collapsed, local went on protest as a result of loan shark ponzi scheme collapse.
And this enormous shark loan operation, the under ground banking are in every cities in china.
And all these collapse happened even when the real estate price maintain current high level ,just imagine what will happen if the real estate drop for merely 30% percent.
this country of economic of miracle is in a run away train to hell with no decelerator, corrupted power elite can not step on the brake, otherwise it will derail, remember the ever crying Oscar winner of best actor Premier Wen said: china will sunk into social unrest if let RMB appreciate 15-20%, he knew that, if real estate dip 30 percent, he and his power elite also will be in real serious trouble. Will he say it in public to Chinese people? A resounding no. his comments of china social unrest as a result of china RMB appreciation also fail to appear in china main media.
A 3 billion shark loan ponzi scheme collapsed in China Xian Yang City Shan Xi Province
ReplyDeleteShe is the wife of a local police chief, her name is Li Chun, she is the ring leader in Xian Yang city’s shark loan ponzi scheme, different from the case exposed in Erdos city, the victims of Xian Yang ponzi scheme are local policemen, government officials and real estate developers, she collected the fund from local policemen under the name of commodity future business, but in reality, she knew nothing about commodity future, in the past several years, she collected 3 billion RMB from local police , government officials, coal mine owners, since the source of many funds are from bribery, so the victims are very low key. Her modest interest payment to the lenders is 24%annual rate, it is modest, but the rate is still 10 times of china deposit rate.
So in several years, she is able to grow her fund to 3 billion. Just give you a perspective of 3 billion, in China Xian Yang city, the annual revenue is 3 billion. So she is the queen of the underground world in that city.
The local police did march a protest before the government building this August, just under a different name( collective housing dispute), the case is exposed long time ago, the media exposure is strictly controlled, and every internet posting has been censored. Only a magazine called “ East Watch Weekly Journal” managed to have this article published yesterday 28th Sep 2010.
For the article, click
http://news.sina.com.cn/s/sd/2010-09-28/180921188792.shtml
Another 2.5 billion Shark loan Ponzi scheme collapsed in Zhongshan City Guang Dong Province
ReplyDeleteSep29,2010,Gu Town,Zhongshan City, Guang Dong Province, thousands of peoples gathered in the main street, they blocked the street, protested before the China agriculture bank building, demand the government intervention . It turns out that two owners of two local courier service companies lost billions in gambling business in Macau and failed to pay the high interest (monthly rate 5%) and principal back to those locals who lend money to them.
Their ponzi scheme has been running for several years, besides the locals, the company's clients also invest money with the expectation of receiving high interest, the owners of these two couriers claimed that they invested in a gambling house in Machu, so they are being able to achieve high capital return. But in reality, they are using new borrowed fund to pay the old interest, it is a typical pyramid scheme. Finally this September, this scheme collapsed, and the ring leaders are in the run together with client's fund. That triggered massive protest in the town.
Please check out for pictures of riot and police crack down in this link
http://www.aboluowang.com/news/data/2010/1001/article_109393.html
china government are bailing out these collapsing ponzi schemes for fear of social unrest, the china banking system is the ultimate ponzi scheme
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